The Black List Podcast

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The Black List founder Franklin Leonard talks movies with people who love them and people who make them. He and Black List Director of Community Kate Hagen speak with filmmakers, producers, and creators of all kinds, deep diving on movie watching rituals, sharing career highs, and revisiting highly regarded films from the Black List itself. Guests include: Spike Lee, Janelle Monae, Ed Helms, Lulu Wang, Jason Hehir, Rhada Blank, Bowen Yang, Katrina Longworth, Gabrielle Union, and many, many more.

  1. 4D AGO

    Kaufman Charlie, Screenwriter with an Eternally Spotless and Brilliant Mind

    Maybe you love Adaptation, or Synechdoche, or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.The prolific screenwriter Charlie Kaufman discusses some of the diverse and notable projects of his career, starting with his early days as a staff writer for shows like Get A Life, and The Dana Carvey Show. He also recounts the unbelievable, and ultimately life-changing story of his screenplay for Being John Malkovich, a film that nobody initially wanted to make. Franklin and Kate dive with Charlie into the continued fan love for Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (for which Kaufman won a writing Oscar), the reactions they all have to Adaptation, and wrap up with a discussion of the Jessie Buckley/Jesse Plemons film I'm Thinking of Ending Things, and so much more.  Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst. This conversation took place during 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. Mentions:  I’m Thinking of Ending Things: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/im_thinking_of_ending_things Get A Life: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/get_a_life  Being John Malkovich: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/being_john_malkovich Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/eternal_sunshine_of_the_spotless_mind Antkind: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/546823/antkind-by-charlie-kaufman/

    39 min

  2. 4D AGO · BONUS

    You Might Also Like: On Purpose with Jay Shetty

    Introducing Dr. Daniel Amen: Struggling to focus, Stay Organized, or Feeling Overwhelmed by Your to-do List? ADHD Could Be Quietly Running Your Life (THIS is what to DO!) from On Purpose with Jay Shetty. Follow the show: On Purpose with Jay Shetty Do you often forget things or lose track of time? Do you find it hard to stay focused on everyday tasks? Today, Jay reunites with the ever-popular Dr. Daniel Amen, a pioneering psychiatrist and clinical neuroscientist, to unravel one of the most misunderstood mental health topics today: ADHD. With society bombarded by endless distractions, overstimulation, and information overload, many are left questioning whether they truly have ADHD or are simply overwhelmed by the modern world. Dr. Amen cuts through the confusion by drawing from over three decades of clinical experience and brain imaging research. He clarifies that real ADHD is not a trend or a convenient label—it’s a genetic, neurological condition that can be identified through consistent behavioral patterns and even brain scans. What makes this conversation especially transformative is its focus on practical solutions and healing. Rather than defaulting to medication, Dr. Amen emphasizes a whole-brain, whole-body approach—starting with sleep, nutrition, and screen time. He cites compelling evidence showing how dietary changes and digital detoxes can significantly reduce symptoms in children. Jay and Dr. Amen also explore the emotional toll of untreated ADHD, including its links to addiction, depression, academic failure, and fractured relationships. Together, they challenge the stigma, revealing that ADHD is often both overdiagnosed and underdiagnosed, particularly in women and individuals without hyperactivity. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Naturally Improve Focus Without Medication How to Use Diet to Reduce ADHD Symptoms How to Identify the 7 Types of ADHD How to Reframe Negative Thoughts with Brain Training How to Create a Brain-Healthy Morning Routine How to Navigate ADHD in Romantic Relationships How to Advocate for ADHD Support in Schools and Work Your brain is not broken. By learning more about how your mind works, making intentional lifestyle shifts, and seeking the right tools, you can begin to show up in life with greater clarity, connection, and confidence.   With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty Join over 750,000 people to receive my most transformative wisdom directly in your inbox every single week with my free newsletter. Subscribe here.  What We Discuss: 01:15 Why Is ADD Becoming So Common Today? 03:45 Is ADHD Overdiagnosed or Underdiagnosed? 05:37 Key Behavior Patterns That Signal ADHD 09:40 Are You Born with ADHD or Can It Develop Later? 12:18 Why Some People Only Perform Well Under Stress 15:33 How Adult ADD Shows Up as Conflict-Seeking Behavior 21:43 What Really Causes ADHD? Genetics or Environment? 28:47 Can You Learn to Regulate Emotions with ADHD? 30:23 The Long-Term Impact of Untreated ADHD in Children 31:25 Should Alcohol Advertisements Be Banned? 35:07 How an Elimination Diet and Digital Detox Can Help Kids 37:16 Why Nutrition Plays a Critical Role in Managing ADHD 38:58 How ADHD Leads to Learned Helplessness 42:10 Can You Break the Cycle and Prevent Passing ADHD to Your Kids? 44:05 Why ADHD Is More Common in Men 46:40 How ADHD Affects the People Around You 48:20 How Proper Treatment Can Transform Your Life 54:45 Start with Simple Lifestyle Changes 56:03 What to Know About Dating Someone with ADHD 01:00:10 How Untreated ADD and Chronic Stress Can Lead to Illness 01:07:40 Why Winning an Argument with Your Partner Is Still Losing 01:10:35 The Power of Active Listening in Relationships 01:12:28 How to Navigate Life with a Parent Who Has ADD 01:15:12 Is ADHD Curable or Just Manageable? 01:16:25 The Long-Term Consequences of Untreated ADHD 01:17:42 Rethinking Brain and Mental Health as One 01:19:52 Practical Ways to Become More Organized 01:21:19 You’re Not Stuck with ADHD Episode Resources: Dr. Daniel Amen | TikTok Dr. Daniel Amen | Instagram Dr. Daniel Amen | Twitter Dr. Daniel Amen | LinkedIn Dr. Daniel Amen | Facebook Dr. Daniel Amen | Books Dr. Daniel Amen | Website Amen University See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. DISCLAIMER: Please note, this is an independent podcast episode not affiliated with, endorsed by, or produced in conjunction with the host podcast feed or any of its media entities. The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the creators and guests. For any concerns, please reach out to team@podroll.fm.

  3. JUN 17

    Classic Couch Watches, and Reads, from Franklin and Kate

    When cultural tastemakers get stuck inside what do they watch, read, or play? In this throwback episode that has since become a classic, Franklin and Kate talk to each other about the things they discovered or rediscovered during lockdown. From Animal Crossing and Sarah Cooper, to Ted Lasso and Michaela Coel's I May Destroy You, you'll have some new gems to add to your list. See the show notes for more details!  Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst. This convo took place in 2020. Learn more about The Black List, visit ⁠www.blcklst.com.⁠ Mentions:  Animal Crossing: ⁠https://animal-crossing.com⁠ 40-Year-Old Version: ⁠https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_forty_year_old_version⁠ Radha Blank on The Black List Podcast: ⁠https://luminarypodcasts.com/listen/ninth-planet-audio-&-the-black-list/the-black-list-podcast/radha-blank/d6c5b3d7-5e87-4aa1-92d1-aabacbe918b8⁠ Inside Out by Demi Moore: ⁠https://www.harpercollins.com/products/inside-out-demi-moore?variant=32131129442338⁠ It by Stephen King: ⁠https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/830502.It⁠ Caste by Isabel Wilkerson: ⁠https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/653196/caste-oprahs-book-club-by-isabel-wilkerson/⁠ Sarah Cooper: ⁠https://sarahcpr.com⁠ Ted Lasso: ⁠https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/ted_lasso⁠ I May Destroy You: ⁠https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/i_may_destroy_you⁠ You Must Remember This Podcast: ⁠http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com⁠Karina Longworth on The Black List Podcast: ⁠https://luminarypodcasts.com/listen/ninth-planet-audio-&-the-black-list/the-black-list-podcast/karina-longworth/ccc9d152-7947-48dc-bab8-871300e0c72a⁠ .

    36 min

  4. JUN 10

    Actor and Director Jay Ellis

    Actor and director Jay Ellis joins Kate and Franklin for some real talk. Jay opens up about starring in Top Gun: Maverick and how becoming a father has shifted his perspective on life and work. He also reflects on his iconic role as Lawrence in Insecure—including some truly wild fan encounters—and takes us behind the scenes of his directorial debut on the show. The trio covers career milestones, Mel Brooks, and the magic of storytelling. Plus, in one of the most unexpected turns, Jay shares how Spaceballs (yes, Spaceballs) first made him fall in love with acting. Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst. This episode was originally published in 2020, behind a paywall. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.  Mentions: +Insecure: https://www.hbo.com/insecure  +Top Gun: https://shadowandact.com/new-top-gun-maverick-trailer-shows-at-jay-ellis-in-tom-cruise-sequel

    41 min

  5. JUN 4

    Screenwriter and Playwright Jeremy O. Harris: Scrjpting High-Low Culture

    Jeremy O. Harris joins Kate and Franklin to talk about eliciting polarized audience reactions to Slave Play, describes his co-writing process with Janicza Bravo on Zola and talks about accessing the fascinating intersections of high and low culture, and so much more.  Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst. This conversation took place in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. Mentions:  +Slave Play: http://slaveplaybroadway.com +Zola: http://rottentomatoes.com/m/zola

    46 min

  6. MAY 29

    Writer Director Lee Isaac Chung (Minari)

    Academy award winning writer and director Lee Isaac Chung joins Kate and Franklin to talk about the trip to Rwanda that changed his filmmaking trajectory, his deep admiration for Charlie Chaplin and Wong Kar-wai, the making of his irresisitable Minari, and so much more.  Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst. This conversation took place in 2020 To learn more about The Black List, visit ⁠www.blcklst.com.⁠ Mentions:  Minari: ⁠https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/minari⁠

    38 min

  7. MAY 14

    Horror Films and Women Who Make Them

    A very special encore. Kate talks to Barbara Crampton, BJ Colangelo, and Gigi Saul Gurerro about their lives in the horror community, what they're working on, what types of stories they'd like to see told about women in horror, and so much more. Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst. This conversation is from 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. Mentions:  Barbara Crampton: https://twitter.com/barbaracrampton BJ Colangelo: https://twitter.com/bjcolangelo Gigi Saul Gurerro: https://twitter.com/HorrorGuerrero

    58 min

  8. MAY 6

    Soledad O'Brien and Franklin Look Back

    Encore episode with award-winning journalist Soledad O'Brien. She joins Franklin for a conversation about growing up Black, her approach to documentary filmmaking, the state of journalism in the Trump era, and so much more. Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst. This conversation was recorded in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. Mentions: +New York Times, Soledad O'Brien: A Me Too Movement for Journalists of Color, www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/opinion/soledad-obrien-racism-journalism.html +Black in America: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/in.america/black.in.america/ +Latino in America: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2009/latino.in.america/

    52 min
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The Black List founder Franklin Leonard talks movies with people who love them and people who make them. He and Black List Director of Community Kate Hagen speak with filmmakers, producers, and creators of all kinds, deep diving on movie watching rituals, sharing career highs, and revisiting highly regarded films from the Black List itself. Guests include: Spike Lee, Janelle Monae, Ed Helms, Lulu Wang, Jason Hehir, Rhada Blank, Bowen Yang, Katrina Longworth, Gabrielle Union, and many, many more.

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  • Channel
    Luminary
  • Creator
    Franklin Leonard | Luminary | Ninth Planet Audio
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2025
  • Episodes
    79
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © Ninth Planet Audio
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    The Black List Podcast
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    Luminary Media

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